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This post must gave hit a sore spot with most of you,because you know I am right


The most dangerous place in the world for an unborn child is in the womb of a woman, If the baby can survive in the womb till birth,he or she will have withstood the most hostile enviroment,the womb of a woman. That is survival,how diffucult it is for a baby to survive and it's not even exposed to the world and all of its predators,just it's own flesh and blood,wanting to kill it for who knows why. Good luck baby,I for one am trying to preserve your life. Won't you join me? and the baby?

You know short,

My father in law stands out in front of Planned parenthood and does sidewalk "counciling" He has 100 "saves" and the group of women that stand with him are refered to as "charlies angels" because they are his little minions. I don't believe that killing an unborn child is right or justified and I support his work but when he comes to me and says we need to go after the people in a foreign country because they may be harboring terrorists I wonder why is it that killing a baby is wrong but waging war on a group of people because a few of them attacked a ship or hijacked a plane is ok. Not all Muslims are bad yet we wage war on them because of a few who made statements that the US was evil. We attack "communists" because they are "evil incarnate". We dispose of government leaders who don't fit our Capitalist ideals and that is ok but killing a baby is wrong and shant be done. Why is it that my father in law speaks out so loudly about abortion but doesn't also oppose the death penalty here in the US or oppose the wars taking place in other countries.

I also wonder why is it that the rights of people are always argued for until that right is the right of a woman to control what happens in her own body. Do I think abortion is right? No. Should it be legal? No. Should a woman have the right to Choose wether or not to have an abortion? In my opinion No but then if I tell her no who am I to control her life. See the problem you face is the same people who are opposed to abortion are also opposed to government intervention. Where is the compromise?

Personaly, this is one of those topics that are posted to incite heated arguement and create dischord among groups. We choose to ignore it because of that fact.

Justify to me why one form of murder is so much better than another and why I should fight for babies rights to life but not the right of my neighbor to have healthcare so that he/she might beable to live longer or recover from disease. Seriously explain to me why one is more important than the other. Are these both not equaly valuable rights. The right to begin life and the right to continue a life already begun. Where do you place the value?

Here is the answer, "what has the baby done to deserve death"? It is anwered in the form of a question,nothing the baby has done nothing.

As for adults, they have the ability to plot,scheme,slander,murder,lie,cheat and steal,the list can go on as long as man has been alive. You have to eliminate the threat,it is on this board entitled "survival of ther fittest" man will always want to dominate man! Man will always want mans land,money,women,power,liberty,freedom,whatever you have someone will want it. The weak are taken as slaves,the weak are killed by the threat,the strong are killed by the threat,one must always defend what is his whether it is his house,land,city,state,country,from the threat. It can come in many forms and from many directions,external and internal. Would you rather live under Muslim law and have your wife cover herself and walk behind you in public? Or would you like to live under the likes of someone like Saddum Hussien and his torture chambers? You have seen what this man did to his soldiers in the Gulf War didn't you? They were so happy to surrender to the Americans they came running out of their bunkers kissing the feet of American soldiers!

If it weren't for The Americans what do you think the French would be speaking? Americans have always defended freedom,that is who we are,that is what we do.No other country stands against threats like this country. The best part is that we have Volunteers who put their lives on the line so people like us can bicker back and forth. Look at Iran,they have shut off the internet,cell phone,twitter,once again the evil forces want power over the people. Hitler,wanting a pure race of people,Osama wanting death to America.Obama wanting national healthcare.

Urban says "Where is the Compromise?"
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Can you tell me why your rights and the rights of the baby are more important than the rights of the woman to choose?
Can you tell me why you would put a person to death for his crimes against you or for breaking a "law" that is made by man when if you claim to be a Religious person you know that the one who is allowed to make that judgement is the one who created you and cast your rolly polly ass out of your beloved garden. Don't give me the free will crap either thats simply an excuse to do as you wish with a clear conscience. If you truly believe in your creator then you know he is the one to make the judgements and what you support is the murder/killing of another man period. Answer these. What gives you the right to judge a man worthy of death? or a womans right to decide null and void? Do the rights you espouse only matter when you want them too? And when they don't fit the situation they get cast aside as in the case of a womans right to decide. Pick and choose ala-carte rights for the right wing? Don't talk about your right to be free of someone telling you what to do when you talk about taking the right of a woman to choose what happens in her body.

ANSWER THE QUESTIONS>>>
WHere is the compromise? What gives you the right to judge a man/woman worthy of death? What gives you the right to tell a woman she has no right to choice when you yourself don't want someone telling you how to live your life? Murder is Murder it doesn't matter if its a fetus or an adult it is Wrong and you can not justify it. Why do you keep trying?

Urban,you should really watch your language,there could be children reading this.


Can you tell me why your rights and the rights of the baby are more important than the rights of the woman to choose?"Uban asks.
Because our constitution gives us the right to life,are you familiar with that? The right to life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

"Can you tell me why you would put a person to death for his crimes against you or for breaking a "law" that is made by man when if you claim to be a Religious person you know that the one who is allowed to make that judgement is the one who created you and cast your rolly polly ass out of your beloved garden."Urban asks.
Wow for a guy that claims to have a moral compass of world religions you sure are intolerant of one you claimed to be raised by. If you were a good Catholic you would know that God has ordained the death penalty,for the ultimate crime.It is written in the Book of Genisis. Your polly ass was cast out too .

"What gives you the right to judge a man worthy of death?" Urban asks. Are you asking if someone murders someone,What gives us the right to sentence them to death? They by their own actionsthey have condemed themselves,it is nothing that I have done. The life of a person is precious,thus the taking of a life should only match the severity of the punishment,when you murder someone,I said murder not kill,there is a difference. Once the sentence has been executed,that person will never harm another. If we do not have laws ,what kind of society do you think we would have?

"Do the rights you espouse only matter when you want them too? And when they don't fit the situation they get cast aside as in the case of a womans right to decide."Urban asks. I answered that question up above

"Don't talk about your right to be free of someone telling you what to do when you talk about taking the right of a woman to choose what happens in her body."Urban says. Roe vs. Wade was acourt decision that was played out here in a Dallas courtroom in the 70's. That decision was rendered by a judge,by fiat,no legislation,no public input,no going to the common people of The United States of America. I'm guessing that if one of your children reach the age of adulthood that you would be ok with her committing suicide,after all it's her body,right? The baby is not the womans body,he/she has it's own heart beat and his/her own body. If it were a wart to be removed from her body that would be different.

It's all common sense Urban,you don't have to use your emotions to make a decision, Your emotions can cause one to make the the wrong choices.
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"Murder is Murder it doesn't matter if its a fetus or an adult it is Wrong and you can not justify it. Why do you keep trying?"Urban asks. Because there is a difference between killing and murder,and that is a fact. I do agree that it is wrong to murder,but the penalty in our society is death,and that means having to kill the perpetrator so they never commit the crime again.

I hope that I have answered your questions to your liking.

It's funny, I always equated the two (murder and killing) and one in the same. They both end ones life. Now after your comment about there being a difference between the two I looked them up. This is what I found funny...

Killing=The act of terminating a life
Murder=Unlawful premeditated killing of a human being by a human being

What makes it Lawful? Is ending a life of one not the same as ending the life of another? Just wondering out loud.

Reasons I don't subscribe to the Catholic/Judeo-Christian religious theory.

1 Genesis chapter 9 verse 6-- "If anyone sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed..."
2 Exodus, Chapter 20 verse 13--"you shall not kill"
The great thing about these books is anyone can pick and choose anything they wish to fit the given situation. James the great king of England that he was, sure did know how to write a great story I do have to admit. I mean come on they made a movie about it... "The greatest story ever told" I think the title says it all.

Could you please explain the statement below about James the great king of England writing a great story? What book did he write? I don't think I have ever seen that movie. Are you saying that James the great king of England wrote the book that you are quoting from?


Urban says"James the great king of England that he was, sure did know how to write a great story I do have to admit. I mean come on they made a movie about it... "The greatest story ever told" I think the title says it all."

Killing=The act of terminating a life (NOTICE NO MENTION OF A HUMAN)
Murder=Unlawful premeditated killing of a human being by a human being(NOTICE THE MENTION OF A HUMAN ON HUMAN ACT) You see there is a difference in the words,who are you going to believe me or your lying eyes?

I won't even dignify those questions. you know your answer. This is an Environmental forum not a religious one. How bout going to the Nuke forum and answering the questions I asked 3 weeks ago.

Urban by your previous post are you saying that King James of Englaind wrote the Bible? I don't want to belittle you, but he had it translated from the original writings of Greek,Hebrew and Aramaic in the 1500"s. I suggest Urban before you show how ignorant you are about something,that you keep your mouth shut rather than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Here is your statement James the great king of England that he was, sure did know how to write a great story I do have to admit. I mean come on they made a movie about it... "The greatest story ever told" I think the title says it all. (you are telling me and the world that you think that James wrote the Bible, how embarassing )
Urban Writes
"I won't even dignify those questions. you know your answer." I can't read your mind,you must put it in writing.
You made the comments,sir about religion . I never went into the realm of religion,you can check every single one of my posts.,other than to suggest that people want to return the earth to a state of perfection were all hold hands and sing Kum-by-yah. I callerd it returning to the Garden of Eden.

I am going to give you this opportunity to explain what you meant by that statement. Now cowboy up(that is a term we use in Texas that means "be a man") and explain.