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Post Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:40 pm

private conversation

Public bathroom or private bathroom?
Public housing or private housing?
Public schools or private schools?
Public transportation or private transportation?
Public seating or private seating?
Public phone or private phone?
Public showing or private showing?
Public healthcare or private healthcare?


PRIVATE IS ALWAYS BETTER.

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Post Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:00 pm

Re: private conversation

When you have to go and your not at home Public...
Apt Vs. House? House. Paid for by the state doesn't matter so long as it is only yours to dwell in.
Public School... I Graduated from one myself and attend one currently as an adult re-entering the world of academia.
Public Transportation when schedualed Private in emergancies
Not sure what your asking in seating... Personaly when I'm at a movie I like to be in the thick of things, same with concerts and sporting events. Dinner reservations with the wife... Private.
Public Pay phone suits me just fine. I have my house phone for when I'm at home.
Public Healthcare? Do you mean all access or socialized? I say Public in that respect. Well Regulated and overseen. Equal distribution of medications and technologies. Cancer drugs should not cost thousands of dollars a month causing people who need them to go into debt to live. Aids patients the same thing. Preventitve healthcare should be accessable and free for all. Sick or Emergancy Health care should be available as well and if you want to go out and Pay someone to take care of you fine but they will be regulated.

Private is always better is truly a matter of opinion and point of view. Those who go with out will always see the other side.
I have seen both sides and believe both in moderation are best.

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Post Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:28 pm

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so what is wrong with both kinds being available... and everyone being free to choose which kind they want?


works for me...

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Post Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:33 pm

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Finally,someone with a voice of reason. Stav both are great but don't make me pay for the choices of others, that is what our socialist prez is pushing for. According to our govt anyone family or person making over 55,000 dollars a year is classified as "RICH" :D Bend over America and get ready for change,hope is history.




You can have whatever you want in America,all you have to do is work for it. The Asians,Mexicans well the one's who come in legally,Italians and even Africans tell me how much more they have here,compared to thier homeland.Choice is one of the reasons why we left the Mother Country,because there was none,now people don't want a choice,they want security over freedom and liberty.

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Post Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:03 pm

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Boston,MA has public healthcare. This AVERAGE WAIT TO SEE A DOCTOR IS 49.6 DAYS.


I can see my private doctor in 1-2 days depending how much I cry.

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Post Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:49 pm

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and on how much you pay shortfuses...

and while 49 days sounds like a lot,if you are in a position where you won't see a doctor at all if you cant pay, then 49 days is not long at all....

all services offered by governments are paid for by us in the form of taxes.. a small tax amount from all, to provide healthcare for those who otherwise can't afford any, does not to me seem to be a huge amount to pay...


but i agree you should have the choice... and you do.. if you disagree with this governemnt's policy then vote them out next time round... it's called democracy...

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Post Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:07 pm

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Stav,here in Teaxs where I live you can walk into any county hospital whether you have insurance or not and get treated.Yes,it's that simple and we the taxpayers of Texas subside it. We have healthcare here in Texas.

We also have in our Constitution what is called 'States Rights". Most of our liberal friends here in the USA like to overlook those rights that states have.our states have there own constitution and preamble,each and every State Preamble makes mention of a higher diety of to the Creator, God himself.Thus, the phrase "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Stav,I want to ask you a question or two more. Don't you think that you should pay more in taxes for housing? After all no one should go without a house,now should they? Shouldn't you pay a little more in taxes so your fellow man can eat? After all it is the humane thing to do,no one should go hungry,should they? Stav,shouldn't you pay a little more in taxes so your neighbor can have a car? After all he has to get to work,doesn't he? These are all things that every human should have a right to,agree? Healthcare,food, transportation. Shouldn't you pay more in taxes if your neighbor looses his job? Shouldn't you pay more in taxes so your neighbors kids have clothes?After all kids should not go without clothes,should they? Don't you think that you should pay more in taxes so you can pay for your fellow mans house insurance,after all what if his house were to burn down,who would pay for his housing? of course you would,after all he is a human and has a right to live in a house,doesn't he? Shoudn't you pay a little more in taxes to pay his heating bill? after all you would not want your fellow human to freeze would you? Shouldn't you pay more in taxes for .........you name it....after all your fellow man shouldn't have to go without should he? Where does it stop? Where is the Liberty in being responsible for every Tom,Dick and Harry?
How can one be happy caring the burden for those who either make wrong choices or just sit on their asses and do nothing? How can you pursue happiness when the govt is always pursuing your income?

If you believe that people have a right to this and that, you should be willing to give everything you have to help your fellow man. Why don't you give it all?

Me, I believe in personal responsibilty. I give to charities that I believe in. I DO NOT WANT THE GOVERNMENT MAKING MY CHOICES FOR ME. I AM RESPONSIBLE TO NO ONE FOR MY ACTIONS BUT ME.(as long as they are with in the law,of course).
In your world,I am responsible for the actions or non actions of others,tell me why that is good.

52.7 percent of Americans voted for Hope and Change those are the people who thought that it would be kool to have a "black" prez,why these people focus on the color of one's skin, and not the content of his character is beyond me,the polls are showing that they do not agree with this kind of change. Obama is a 1 term prez. 2010 our senate is up for re-election,change will come to that house.
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Post Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:46 pm

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if i am doing well, then i don't object to giving a little more to help those that have less...

i don't believe in a nanny state, and ithink we should all be responsible for our own actions to a large extent.. yes everyone should have food and healthcare and a roof over their heads... as for the rest, each person has to be responsible for himself.

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Post Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:52 am

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stav wrote:but i agree you should have the choice... and you do.. if you disagree with this governemnt's policy then vote them out next time round... it's called democracy...


In some cases, I'm afraid either party that would be elected would have a very similar approach to the issues.

I'm not just speaking of the US, but if you consider how many people simply didn't vote, then the governing party in question didn't actually receive a majority of eligible votes... Again, in some cases.

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Post Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:38 am

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Stav,you never state when to much is to much. What is "I am doing ok?" Why can't you do with less then and give more to taxes? Why do you need to be doing o.k. before it's too much? Why don't you let me decide for you when you are doing ok? You want too decide for others what they should have or what you think they have a right to. Lets put me in charge of your life. I will decide what kind of health coverage you will get,I will decide what you will eat,I will decide what kind of home you will live in. I will decide when you are ill,and if you need healthcare and how soon you will see a doctor. You give up your liberty for a little security.

"ithink we should all be responsible for our own actions to a large extent" Stav say's.
One should be entirely responsible for his or her actions. When you make that kind of remark you leave the door open to say, "the devil made me do it " and leave an escape route for one actions or lack there of.


yes everyone should have food and healthcare and a roof over their heads... as for the rest, each person has to be responsible for himself. Stav say's. How do you come to this conclusion about what people should have and not have? Who are you to decide what people should have? That's the problem Stav,let individauls decide for themselves what they want,then let them go out and work for it. I'm talking about the masses now. I know there are cases when people honestly need help and we need programs to help them,I am not against charity. Do you have a issue with people actually going out and working for thier needs?
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